Yay, company !(no pun intended)
2010 Super Boys (快乐男声) has received approval from SARFT. This year, preparation time will be less rushed.
Today at 11:53am Beijing Time – message sent from a cellphone
-Sina Weibo(microblog) of Zhang Huali, Vice-Director of Hunan Satellite TV
Super Boys has been approved by SARFT! After a three years, eeMedia will finally get a new dose of hot and talented singers.
In addition to Super Boys, another competition show named “Green China: Flower Blossoms” was approved mid-February. The show will be hosted by Hunan TV’s recently brought subsidiary Qinghai TV.
This is a support message for Benji – you should definitely try out.
Seconding support message for Benji – you’ve definitely got the looks, haha. (Haven’t heard you sing yet, though.)
Incidentally… Wow. The fangirl demographics must be ecstatic…
Actually…no.
Most seem to be under the impression that there simply cannot be another human being better than their true love. The rest admits it is possible and fear for a contestant to “steal” their celeb’s fans.
We should send our entire Manfensi to try out!
Yay, new people to fangirl!
Lol i didnt see the SUperboy contest in 07 but i saw reruns on tv and it seems fun to have favorties from the beginningg xD i cna’t wait but the times might be messed up since i’m overseas-.- andd whats the other show about?
oh btw. GOOD LUCK TO BENJI! xD
Hahaha OMG! Benji and Manfensi… hell ya!
I cannot wait, it’s going to be soooo fun. Frankly, I was getting kind of bored with YHM, TC, WXY, VC… etc. Not that I don’t like them. I do. But I’m glad to see fresh faces.
What’s “Flower Blossoms”? Another singing contest?
Why are people getting tired of the old faces? I feel like there’s already so many faces in Cpop though…the old Kuai Nan are already rather new in the broad scheme of things.
New faces are nice, but I don’t want a turnover rate like Kpop. It doesn’t happen in America or Jpop nearly as fast.
Seems a bit unhealthy and stable for the industry.
Ok, I guess a lot of things in Kpop are enticing in the short term but bad in the long term.
Maybe this should be a possible discussion question? idk
I can’t believe SARFT approved! But then why do they shun eeMedia stars?!
&YEA! BENJI! you should do something really Asian … like break dancing and beat box lol jk jk
I feel like “tired of old faces” is more due to the fact that they haven’t done anything exciting. Other than Zhang Jie and Top Combine, the other Super Boys all had the height of their career during Super Boys.
And if those boys don’t do anything interesting for a while…people get bored. They assign the lack of activity due to the lack of interest in the boys rather than the situation.
Yea benji u can advertise for cfensi when ur on Superboys! Good luck
@idarklight
but that’s kinda how it is….
people can’t compare to kpop – that’s ridiculous the rate at which they pump out. That’s why people leave their contracts.
BOBO is taking too long to release something, but I think Top Combine took the normal amount of time.
I don’t want the future of cpop dictated by fickle youth who want something new, something fresh 24/7. No music industry has the capacity to sustain that sort of turnover rate, new faces every two years.
Top Combine did take the right amount of time…but other than them and Zhang Jie (and maybe CCS), no one else has. It’s hard to fangirl someone when all you have is memories to fangirl about.
I think there’s always that secret hope that maybe new faces will change the situation, that new artists won’t just die off and fade into the distance.
I’m just frustrated bc it seems people are using Kpop as a standard of what Cpop should have, and it’s not really a very normal, healthy music industry.
There’s several points that make it very fun to follow, but are really bad for its music industry as a whole, in the long term.
1) There should be idol groups – Idols are fun to follow, and it makes Kpop high profile, but its terrible for the music industry as a whole when it is most idols, and the driving force is how to sell through things other than music quality.
2) Idol groups should be talented – I’ve already talked about this one at length in the forums. It’s sort of messed up how people can argue at length about talents of various boybands vs other boybands, all the while neglecting that there is way way more talent out there, ableit with less pretty packaging.
3) Idols should be more active – No one is as active as the idols in Kpop. It makes Cpop and Jpop seem like they aren’t doing much. In reality, Cpop and Jpop idols have normal schedules. They aren’t too overworked, and this is why, JE stars, are still JE stars well into their 30s rather than suing their company leading to disbandment etc etc
4) There should always be new, fresh idols – this one is sooo weird. How can a music industry sustain itself if there are a batch of new idols at the rate of new people every two years? It’s so unhealthy.
For Kpop it seems new ones pop out all the time – why? Bc the old ones aren’t there anymore. Either the old ones left to go to Japan (something I don’t want to see happen to Cpop, bc it wouldn’t be cpop) or bc the old ones went to America and failed. Neither of those two scenarios is going to happen to Cpop soon.
Cpop already has a sizeable crop of idols…idk China’s market is big, but is it that big? Some thing tells me that it isn’t.
It’s REALLY annoying how fickle the youthful idol market demographic is. I remember when Top Combine came out and people subbed for them on Happy Camp and everything had so much momentum. What happened to that? Wtf??? They hardly have anyone updating their news anymore let alone subbing. What happened to their fanbase has made me rage more than anything, because basically, they are one of the more active ones in Cpop…if one cares about updating for them, then you know what? Cpop is doomed.
MIC may be active now, but after a year, people are just going to want something new judging on how TC went.
/epic rant of annoyance at fans who always want something new, something active, something “talented”.
@cmi
I agree with most of the things u said but woahhh the last part…? Not so much. You can’t blame fans for not liking an idol or celebrity anymore. Idol groups r meant to attract girls/guys based on their cool factor or hot factor. Sure there r die hard fans but there are also fans who like them for a couple of songs or for a few days. Fans r not married to their celebrities, they can cry or scream about a celebrity for one day and leave their celebrity behind as quickly as how their fangirlism started in the first place.
It’s fair to say TC’s look/style has changed and maybe ppl didn’t like the new look. TC hasn’t been on shows much either. They’ve been hosting Mangotv and that’s hardly about them. Personally Mangotv isn’t all that fun either, especially compared to Happy Camp.
Idols lose fans cuz they didn’t interest the fans anymore. It can b due to inactivity or they just didn’t suit ppl’s taste anymore. Tc’s new mvs r pretty bad and I can understand if no one wants to sub them. Or it could b ppl like different types of songs.
DBSK has been popular for a lot longer, so I don’t think it’s just the fans always wanting something new.
However, I definitely disagree with the idea that the lack of popularity in TC overseas is because of their inactivity or decline. Rather, it’s because they alone is not enough for people to be drawn into their world of cpop. Although they’ve done stuff, most of it is not reported on…and most tc fans are thus drawn toward the more easily available kpop stuff.
And plus,I think MangoTV is definitely worth watching if you like TC…they’re adorable in it.
DBSK – it’s bc they were the first group to come out after the older generation got depleted and disbanded, etc. They didn’t really have competition at the time, not like now. There was like only SS501 – under DSP who had really really bad promotion. In comparison DBSK is one of the busiest groups – there’s always some activity they are doing, and since it wasn’t until the last couple of years that Kpop was bombarded with new groups – it makes sense the fanbase wouldn’t die. Now, it’s not the same.
It really annoys me, bc basically these fickle young fans always want activity, or news or whatever and thus, Cpop won’t ever win. It’s not Cpop something can give.
It didn’t just happen with Cpop fandom. It happened to Jpop fandom as well. Kpop retains people’s attention because it’s active. Doesn’t matter about the quality of the songs or anything. It’s active and malleable people’s mind’s get occupied by what is active.
And even if this is the reason why Kpop groups always seem to disband (bc they get overworked) it doesn’t seem to be a problem. Because somehow these fans move onto new groups very quickly. This is also something I seen happen in the fandom. One girl moved from DBSK to 2PM to console herself in a flash.
I’m just sad because Chinese fans seem to always want something from Cpop, rather than give. Top Combine could be a fun fandom if people made cuts of their shows and subbed them. They give hilarious interviews. The problem isn’t on the Cpop end, it’s on the fan end.
And I don’t know if it will ever pick up, because Kpop is here now, and gives all the shallow fangirl minds something to fall so easily into. It’s so easy…
My biggest problem is that I don’t see a future for Cpop fandom. Jpop/rock is so diverse, so big. And yet it’s still not that big a fandom, and dropped considerably in size after Kpop came. So even if Cpop gets better? Then what? The majority of the fans are now going to do squat for it.
That’s the thing about k pop tho. It’s all fun and games, no strings I attached. I can love big bang one day and move on to 2ne1 the next. Will I buy and collect their albums?… Porbably not. Will I buy jj lin’s and Jane’s? Yes and I have. The kpop scene is fast moving and tires out the entertainers. One becomes obsessed over an artist usually becuz one sees them on variety shows and knos them not just as an artist but a person. There’s a difference btween liking an artist’s music enough to buy to liking the artist’s image/personality we see on reality tv. Truthfully I didn’t like dbsk until I saw them on shows, same with 2pm. I’m not obsessing over them anymore, it only lasted about a couple months for me.
I bought tc’s 2nd album, courtesy of my lovely aunt, but will I watch mango tv eps? Nope cuz I don’t feel like it showcases tc’s individual personalities. Besides I feel like half the times it’s just Li Mao hosting. Don’t get me wrong, Li mao is hilarious but I wouldn’t watch the entire ep. And I agree that ppl should probably just sub cuts instead. I’d volunteer to translate!
Btw going OT @ cfensi=ftw!
One can argue we’re at a tangent
@linny
This is going to sound blunt, but I don’t care if you buy their stuff or not vs what you buy for Kpop. What I care about is the activity in the international fandom.
Frankly international sales make up a very small percentage of Asian sales. I WANT ACTIVITY from the international fans. I want international fans to spread their stuff. This is what makes them visible, and what’s more helpful in the long run. Because, in the end of the day, Top Combine is barely known abroad because everyone is spending their time flitting around different Kpop groups. All the energy is expended on Kpop, and this is why both Cpop/Jpop fandom has decreased so much in visibility.
Why don’t people understand that it’s people’s time and energy that is why makes fandom go round?
It’s not that cpop fans stopped liking Cpop after Kpop came. That’s not what happened. It’s simply that people stopped spending as much time on Cpop so they could blithely spend more time on Kpop. That decreased the visibility of the fandom. New fans had no idea what the hell was going on, and it simply wasn’t as fun for old fans. People didn’t bother uploading stuff because they didn’t keep up with release dates, and hell, no one even actually uploaded Jane Zhang’s album at LJ.
And bc I can’t edit, I’d like to add another comment and note that this rant isn’t directed toward anyone in particular on this forum. I wish! Then the problem would be small, and I wouldn’t feel like ranting.
In thinking about this, I feel like I’ve come to a dead end when I realized, it doesn’t matter how good Cpop is. No matter how many talented boybands Cpop comes out with won’t help the fandom pickup to where it should be. Because Cpop doesn’t overwork their artists, so that they are constantly active, it will never be able to occupy the top spots in fangirls minds. And that, is a very unsettling realization. The only way Cpop would be more visible is if people who feel an attachment to it, help spread it, regardless of how active it is, and I just don’t see that happening in the apathetic Chinese community.
Are they really less active? I feel like Top Combine and BOBO are always doing something once in a while, even if it’s not headline news…kpop artists do the same thing. Most of their “activity” that gets posted on consists of going on a show, saying something funny, or releasing their childhood pictures.
I really feel like it has nothing to do with the artists themselves but rather the fans. I think it is important to realize that in China, TC fans didn’t feel like they never did anything because they hear/read/watch TC stuff all the time…especially on places like baidu tieba.
Instead, it’s the international assumption that they never do anything that makes people inclined to not look for stuff about them.
And @linny
While we all like to buy good products, I see spreading cpop internationally not as a pure economic gain, but a cultural influence. It’s something that draws people into China and allows them to see that the Chinese people aren’t the oppressed and depressed people that many thinks they are. This is especially important for Chinese Americans, some of whom seems to be rather proud of the fact that they can bash China while being of Chinese heritage.
China doesn’t lack products – people already buy tons of stuff made in China. But few will buy ideologies and ideas made in China. That’s what China needs in the international world, and that’s something that entertainment can do for China.
@cmi
ouch…that hurt. I don’t think u knew wat I was getting at. I think we began tlking about two different things. I was talking about the music industry differences and my prefernces while u believe cfans r to blame for cpop’s lack of popularity.
The difference between kpop and cpop as I c it is cpop spends more time on quality releases so less time on shows and stuff. Kpop feeds ur ethusiasium for a short period until u realize evrything sounds the same. Kpop keeps the news and info coming at a rate so high it’s crazy and that makes fans more crazy/obsessed. The end.
@idarklight
*applause* very good point, something I’ve neglected to think about. But some people r exactly against certain Chinese ideas. I’m not sure if this is related to the political tensions but it’s definately lurking around. Here’s some key words ppl link with China:
cheap
pollution
factories
I hardly see any positive news on newspapers about China here but they bash quite freely. Every country is biased especially if they feel threatened*cough America cough*.
@linny You shouldn’t take anything I say personally. I’m mad at everyone in fandom,…mad at all the Chinese abroad who have ventured into the wonderful world of Asian contemporary culture, and will spend their time on everything but Chinese entertainment. I’m mad at Chinese people who know and like Cpop, but who basically do nothing for it, and wonder why Cpop is not more known. I’m mad at all the prejudice out there from fully grown adults who should know better.
And I’m really mad right now because…I don’t see either aspect changing.
@cmi
don’t worry about it, I’m not really mad at u anyway. Lol, sorry if my comment made u feel bad, and I can understand ur perspective. The way I see it is that China in general has made a lot of improvement in many areas over this decade and I believe it can become more well known through time. Cpop along with china’s economy will grow as well. Whether cpop gets international right now is really not a concern of mine for now. I feel it needs to improve in it’s own country first before moving overseas. Jackie Chan is probably the only Asian artist who’s been able to achieve fame here. I mean ppl actually kno who he is and like his movies. He’s truly an international celebrity.
And zhang ziyi, some guys in my school think she’s hot and kept bothering me about how to pronounce her name.
I don’t really get mad/sad at specific comments from people. I get mad/sad by what I see are general trends from entire populations.
It’s frustrating because I don’t really want to do what I’m doing right now. I want to be like Nepheliad – MIA. But then if we didn’t post news people are like, “Why doesn’t Top Combine have activities? They should have more activities! Why isn’t their company doing enough for them?” When if fact they are doing lots of stuff. It’s really frustrating overall….
TC’s just one example. If no one posts, people think there’s nothing. Hell a lot of the people that we posted at Cfensi no one knew existed because no one posted on them.
Idk why other Chinese people can’t go to Sina and just translate stuff…
I’ll be going on Spring Break next week, so I will be MIA. Good bye Cfensi.
@linny
If cpop improves, will people really care more about them? Is it the fault of cpop or that of the fans?
Don’t take this personally, but I don’t think it’s right for anyone to blame “cpop” of “China” for the lack of international attention/favor.
China has changed so much, yet people are still stuck with the “commie” idea of China, full of repressed and poor peasants. Why? Because no one bothers to report on the good things on China. And why is that? Because no one cares if China does something awesome. Why? Because they dislike China. And why is that? Because they only hear bad things about…
cpop is the same way, it’s a cyclic problem that fans don’t care unless it’s breaking news, and breaking news is only breaking when it’s bad.
There’s nothing wrong cpop or cdramas. It has artists with extraordinary talents like Jane and Jay. It has beautiful ZGF music and voices. It has dramas that are clever, cute, HQ, lighthearted and deep like My Youth and Qia Tong Xue Shao Nian. Yeah it doesn’t have idols music or dramas, but who ever said that those were necessary? Whoever said that quality culture can’t be spread? Whoever said that no one can fangirl beauty and excellence?
…oh idarklight you’re doing so much better than me in being level headed and rational and logical and clear in your statements. My frustration is keeping me just rambling on and on.
*Hugs* I’m so glad I found you in Crunchy….idek how. I usually never go there! It was fortuitous.
why is my comments not posted>.<
I have to say that I agree that Cpop isn’t well known abroard but I think that taiwanese Cpop is more well known than mainland Cpop. I don’t live in China so I don’t know whats going on with TC or any of the other mainland artists. I try to find information/updates on TC and the others (from Cfensi <3 and other sites lol). Even though I wouldn’t consider myself a really big fan girl, I do get excited whenever TC comes on tv or appear in articles/posts. Also even though I don’t buy CDs/posters or any of those things, I’m still supporting them however I can.I can say that i’ve already introduced most of my friends to Cpop, starting with TC and then to others. They may not be into Cpop as much as Kpop but it’s a step and even if they tell one other person about Cpop, it will become a chain reaction and sooner or later Cpop will gain as much ground as Kpop.
Yes finallyy!!! =DD and I think Cpop is already good, its just that no one really acknowledges it.
@idarklikght
yep! Like I said I don’t kno the exact political standings between China and the US but the political tensions do create an overcast over ppl’s perspective of china, Chinese music and also current pop culture.
Four years ago a little girl who was around 7 asked me if people in china live in tents. She wasn’t making fun of me but actually sincerely asking a question she was curious about. I was surprised that ppl still thought that and this was back in 2006. I have no idea wat kind of exposure she had to china but she lived in a predominately white town. I was probably the first asain person she ever saw. When I told her it’s quite like America only with more people she’s surprised. She thougt everyone was poor.
There are still many barriers between different cultures and most of the time it’s affected by politics. People subconciously have bias thoughts even if they didn’t want to be. In time people will learn to accept and erase those thoughts. The only example I can think of right now is Latino and Hispanic cultures/music that’s become an integral part of America now.
China is a developing country and ur right, there’s nothing wrong with cpop or cdramas. People reject it before they even give it a chance. That chance will come when these barriers r broken down (biasness that’s been rooted in their minds).
And like Linny said some people have already started by giving cpop a chance.
give it time
I just realized how cynical my previous post sounds. Btw cpop is just starting to get attention, this is y cfensi and aytd exists.
Srry last consecutive post by me I promise.
@idarklight
I forgot to answer ur question hehe. Here’s my answer. There’s nothing wrong with cpop, when I say improve in it’s own country I meant expand, building a bigger music industry like how the Chinese film industry is improving. By having a very strong foundation in China first is key before expanding overseas.
My own irrespnsible word choice is biting me back although in my defense I am down with a fever and is currently losing my voice. And oh fun fact, I have to make a speech in English tomorrow wow fml.
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